TO ECL/CANTHANG!

[eclipse.]

i can agree with that. he was way more deserving than Rose. Fuck, Rondo deserved it more than Rose.

[Dimin1sh]

lulz bunch of BS right there. Its like you look at is as MVP only means the player with the best stats and talent. I already admitted that James overall is better than rose, but still he doesn't mean as much to his team than Rose does. Throughout the season even when Noah and Boozer were injured for long periods of time Rose still carried the Bulls on his back. No matter how much you want to believe it, the Heat are still fine without LeBron. I think you are just one of those LeBron fans who are in denile. LeBron pussied out by teaming up with Wade and Bosh because he couldn't get a championship with the Cavaliers... that has PUSSY written all over it. When Jordan and Kobe didn't win their first championships with the Bulls and Lakers, did they bail out and go team up with someone.. no. James on the other hand couldn't win with the Cavaliers so he went to go team up with 2 superstars, I emphasize once again, PUSSY. Anyway I don't think any of this makes sense to you, all you have to say is LeBron is the best, and the bulls would do better without rose than the cavaliers without Lebron but you show know proof in your reasoning at all, other than just simply stating your opinion. One thing I know for a fact is that Rose just set a NBA record that LeBron will never be able to beat.. YOUNGEST MVP IN NBA HISTORY. DAAAAA BULLLS

[dash]

May 5, 2011 20:26:59 GMT -5 Dimin1sh said:

and the bulls would do better without rose than the cavaliers

i think you mean miami heat

[eclipse.]

when the stats prove that james is more valuable to the miami heat than d rose is to the bulls, i really don't know why you even are still arguing.

in regards to jordan and kobe they both got significant help. jordan is a whole other story though. it just proves how little you really know i guess, i dont know how to else to put it. kobe had shaq then he had pau. both superstars by the "superstar standard" jordan had many role players around him. LeBron has D Wade and sometimes Bosh... SOMETIMES bosh. Kobe and Jordan hardly won on their own, both had immense help. Now that LeBron has the help they had, people want to hate on him so hard.

and you say the heat do fine without LeBron, why are his +/- stats better than Rose's?

we're never gonna agree. i have several friends that are bulls fans and are exactly like you. they all believe d rose is some kind of savior and ever since Jordan gave that pre playoff speech about the bulls things got blown so far out of proportion.

OK in regards to what I have been telling you Kyle, look at these numbers and tell me they are lying..

Margin of Victory/points when either of them arent on the floor:

Rose:6.13
Lebron:1.03

So if Lebron wasnt on the floor, The heat would actaully struggle more than the bulls would without Rose.

STATS DO NOT LIE. speculation does.

edit: heres a good article, its old but it still applies. espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/4755/a-closer-look-at-lebron-vs-d-rose-mvp-debate

Whether you speak in anecdotes or analytics, James is the best player in the game today. And judging from the Heat’s near mediocrity without him, he’s demonstrated his incredible value in that respect as well. As one league GM plainly said to me this season, “LeBron is the MVP. Every year.”

[dash]

hes mad.

[Dimin1sh]

May 5, 2011 23:18:51 GMT -5 eclipse. said:

we're never gonna agree.

Lets just keep it at this.

[eclipse.]

i really wanted to h ear your rebuttal to their off the court numbers though.

GL with the hawks

[Dimin1sh]

44 pts. tonight as we crush the hawks just sayin

[Tragic]

Instead of arguing who is better, get of the computer and go play some basket ball

[eclipse.]

I don't have time to ball anymore kid. I barely have time to make it to the gym 3 times a week.

Besides I would rather kick a soccer ball or relive my high school quarterback days and toss a pigskin around than shoot hoops.

If there are people on the court at LA fitness I will get in on a pick up game and skip my cardio training since basketball is great cardio in itself. It is basically like running suicides non stop for an hour.

but to argue that... i would crush kyle in basketball . he looks like hes taller than me but I could break his ankles as easy as D Wade broke Ray Allens'

[dash]

lol @ calling him a kid, stfu.

[eclipse.]

I didn't mean it in a derogatory manner, you fucking faggot.

now, thatwas meant to be derogatory.

[Tragic]

Lol I just noticed he called me a kid, but I don't care, ecl says a lot of shit lol. I hear ya man I got no time for sports anymore, my friends are working different hours then me ( night shift ) and I hate playing sports by myself lol.

[xill]

liar, your too busy smoking dope!

[Tragic]

May 9, 2011 18:47:25 GMT -5 xill said:

liar, your too busy smoking dope!

I did both tbh, I don't anymore as my friends don't have time for it, and I don't feel like doing it by myself. I live in a small town it's hard to get anyone to do anything lol, but yea I use to enjoy getting blazed before a game